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		<title>By: currentlyonnutmeg</title>
		<link>http://eccentricscientist.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/nutmeg-hallucinogenic-viagra/#comment-3826</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T+28 hours I think- I have felt very mellow and relaxed all day today and continuing tonight.  This reminds me of a mild THC buzz rite now, as has today since I woke up. Last night I had the classic 3 hours of straight euphoria from T+4 hours to T+7 hours, accompanied by lots of energy and excitability. There was some closed eye visuals and open-eye streamers during this time. Tactile sensations were very much enhanced, most reminds me of the time I tried Extascy. So far, it all sounds like this activity could be at least in part due to serotonin modulation with 5 htp 2A receptors being primary targets. Same with the closed eye visuals and streamers.

     After 7 hours, I became pretty sedated and stoned with pronounced red eye and serious cotton mouth. My thinking was pretty scambled in a good, well at least fun way. At this point it became hard to carry on a conversation and I went to sleep around T+9 hours. Woke up today around T+18 hours with no school, work or general responsibility. I have pretty much watched T.V. all day with little motivation to do anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T+28 hours I think- I have felt very mellow and relaxed all day today and continuing tonight.  This reminds me of a mild THC buzz rite now, as has today since I woke up. Last night I had the classic 3 hours of straight euphoria from T+4 hours to T+7 hours, accompanied by lots of energy and excitability. There was some closed eye visuals and open-eye streamers during this time. Tactile sensations were very much enhanced, most reminds me of the time I tried Extascy. So far, it all sounds like this activity could be at least in part due to serotonin modulation with 5 htp 2A receptors being primary targets. Same with the closed eye visuals and streamers.</p>
<p>     After 7 hours, I became pretty sedated and stoned with pronounced red eye and serious cotton mouth. My thinking was pretty scambled in a good, well at least fun way. At this point it became hard to carry on a conversation and I went to sleep around T+9 hours. Woke up today around T+18 hours with no school, work or general responsibility. I have pretty much watched T.V. all day with little motivation to do anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: currentlyonnutmeg</title>
		<link>http://eccentricscientist.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/nutmeg-hallucinogenic-viagra/#comment-3825</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got into some closed eye visuals and open eye streamers. Euphoria has become constant, resting heart rate is about 106 beats per minute according to home tredmil. Everythings just seems staight-up silly and strange. My spelling mistakes above like hear instead of here are crackin me up:)  Going to girlfriend&#039;s house now, shes driving!!, I&#039;ll post tomorrow.          T+400 hours</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got into some closed eye visuals and open eye streamers. Euphoria has become constant, resting heart rate is about 106 beats per minute according to home tredmil. Everythings just seems staight-up silly and strange. My spelling mistakes above like hear instead of here are crackin me up:)  Going to girlfriend&#8217;s house now, shes driving!!, I&#8217;ll post tomorrow.          T+400 hours</p>
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		<title>By: Lem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely working! Enjoy the experience. Do what you love to do.

On a more academic note, this article by Branden &amp; Nichols: http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/72/5/1200  investigates the binding of serine residues in the 5-HT2A receptor to various hallucinogens. They note that polar substituents on the aromatic ring of hallucinogens such as DOI interact with particular serine residues.

Safrole, elemicin and myristicin all have polar substituents on the aromatic ring, so they may indeed interact with 5-HT2A receptors, but as incomplete (ant)agonists, causing their own unique change in intracellular signalling, resulting in the classic effects of nutmeg (that the above poster is experiencing :D).

Hopefully I&#039;ve interpretted the paper correctly, but it sounds to me like some receptor binding assays are in order.

Jochen, what do you think of your discovered metabolites binding with 5-HT2A receptors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely working! Enjoy the experience. Do what you love to do.</p>
<p>On a more academic note, this article by Branden &amp; Nichols: <a href="http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/72/5/1200" rel="nofollow">http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/72/5/1200</a>  investigates the binding of serine residues in the 5-HT2A receptor to various hallucinogens. They note that polar substituents on the aromatic ring of hallucinogens such as DOI interact with particular serine residues.</p>
<p>Safrole, elemicin and myristicin all have polar substituents on the aromatic ring, so they may indeed interact with 5-HT2A receptors, but as incomplete (ant)agonists, causing their own unique change in intracellular signalling, resulting in the classic effects of nutmeg (that the above poster is experiencing <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
<p>Hopefully I&#8217;ve interpretted the paper correctly, but it sounds to me like some receptor binding assays are in order.</p>
<p>Jochen, what do you think of your discovered metabolites binding with 5-HT2A receptors?</p>
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		<title>By: currentlyonnutmeg</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently expiercing strong waves of tingiling sensations accompanied by bursts of euphoria.  T+3.75 hours</description>
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		<title>By: currentlyonnutmeg</title>
		<link>http://eccentricscientist.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/nutmeg-hallucinogenic-viagra/#comment-3822</link>
		<dc:creator>currentlyonnutmeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still trying to figure out what gives nutmeg it&#039;s physycoactive properties. I&#039;m fairly sure it&#039;s not amphetamine-like derivatives but the some of the effects especially between 4 and 7 hours remind me mildly of extascy. 

    I still contribute the increased energy, focus and rapid heart rate to an interaction between dopegenic and adrenic systoms, most likely indirectly.  The empathy is likely tied with the serotonin system, mabe directly or downstream of other actions. Some of the buzz also reminds me of hydrocodone and runners high, so mabe peptide release or direct action at the mu receptor is possible hear too. Bloodshot eyes, dry mouth, and dry mucous membrains all point toward anti-cholergenic action, as does the stoned effect. Anamide (natural THC) may also be involved like in runner&#039;s high.


   I took 20 grams (5 nuts) 3.5 hours ago, and starting to feel silly. I may be able to post later tonight, and if not tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still trying to figure out what gives nutmeg it&#8217;s physycoactive properties. I&#8217;m fairly sure it&#8217;s not amphetamine-like derivatives but the some of the effects especially between 4 and 7 hours remind me mildly of extascy. </p>
<p>    I still contribute the increased energy, focus and rapid heart rate to an interaction between dopegenic and adrenic systoms, most likely indirectly.  The empathy is likely tied with the serotonin system, mabe directly or downstream of other actions. Some of the buzz also reminds me of hydrocodone and runners high, so mabe peptide release or direct action at the mu receptor is possible hear too. Bloodshot eyes, dry mouth, and dry mucous membrains all point toward anti-cholergenic action, as does the stoned effect. Anamide (natural THC) may also be involved like in runner&#8217;s high.</p>
<p>   I took 20 grams (5 nuts) 3.5 hours ago, and starting to feel silly. I may be able to post later tonight, and if not tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Lem</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice experience report there. Nutmeg is definitely a unique substance. It&#039;s surprising to hear how sensitive you are to its effects (or, how potent the nutmeg you have is). Caffeine may have something to do with its effects; when reading about it years ago, I remember the negative (highly intense) reports mentioning washing the nutmeg down with caffeinated beverages like Coke.

*volunteers self for scientific purposes* :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice experience report there. Nutmeg is definitely a unique substance. It&#8217;s surprising to hear how sensitive you are to its effects (or, how potent the nutmeg you have is). Caffeine may have something to do with its effects; when reading about it years ago, I remember the negative (highly intense) reports mentioning washing the nutmeg down with caffeinated beverages like Coke.</p>
<p>*volunteers self for scientific purposes* <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: why not?</title>
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		<dc:creator>why not?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does anyone know of any other plant medicines that has a similar functional and conscious effect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone know of any other plant medicines that has a similar functional and conscious effect?</p>
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		<title>By: why not?</title>
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		<dc:creator>why not?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other morning my husband made a smoothie with pear apples, dried mangos, water, yerba matte green tea steeped overnight, and unbeknownst to me, nutmeg (later he asked if i was high and confessed he was high too and that he put a pod of nutmeg split between us)was the secret ingredient.  

The first few hours of the day i felt pretty clear and happy at a job i did.  around 1pm i had a pilates class in which i was more focused than usual, connecting my brain to my toes/arches very well.  after i started to feel like my right front lobe of my brain was moving around and pushing on my right eye,  kind of like i my brain was creating new pathways.  my eyes became very stoney-like marijuana.  And I felt silly, funny, smart, happy, creative and high.  I then walked down the street and strolled into a seventies vintage store...i walked out with a whole new outfit and a part of me came out as i walked down the street.  I became truly inspired by a vintage amulet necklace i purchased there.  I was having all sorts of creative visions and inspirations.  I spoke to a friend on the phone and shared some more ideas i had about getting a group together for our friends in our community to share the new evolution of humans into our whole selves and to support this new movement we have all been experiencing figuring out how to live without playing roles. 

so around 4pm i had my husband come get me...i was feeling really high by then, increasingly it felt more like shrooms, like my heart was starting to blast open into space.  i found it challenging t0 figure out what and how to cook for dinner and put in the kids lunches for the next day.  i felt like i was really in my right brain but i tried really hard to do some left brain focus and i was able to ground myself.  This is when i found out i was on nutmeg.  i thought i was just having an awesome day!  

today, a week later i was at a friends house and she made coffee with cream and agave nectar. we put a few dashes of ground nutmeg into our cup.  that was 6 hours ago.  I definitely got mildly high and feel open and expansive, i little dry eyed/mouthed, and felt like sharing my experience.  i wonder if caffeine with the nutmeg might have increased its effects.  i have to admit, my interest is peaked in working with its gifts. it doesnt have any of that bad coming off feeling i remember from x or speed that i experimented a little with, maybe because you can sleep on it and it lasts so long and dwindles its effects slowly.  and its much more functionable and motivational than chronic marijuana, for me anyway. at least in the smaller dosage that i took... i think i had a quarter to a third of a pod freshly blended.  

And i have to say im feeling pretty  good right now on only a few dashes in a cup of coffee.  i recommend it for fellow pms-ers (those of us on our moon cycle) or anyone who might have the occasional mood swing.  seems to a have a nice balancing effect.  but i think one time a week is enough in small doses.  Maybe it can be used consciously to birth new ideas or dive into creative projects. nothing else has ever appealed to me to use respectfully in this way. Im not a drug user or abuser and barely have a drink but a tequila once in a while. im more interested in more clarity than distraction and numbness.  it can be worked with as a plant medicine or guide, more  ritualistically. it feels very clean and high in vibration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other morning my husband made a smoothie with pear apples, dried mangos, water, yerba matte green tea steeped overnight, and unbeknownst to me, nutmeg (later he asked if i was high and confessed he was high too and that he put a pod of nutmeg split between us)was the secret ingredient.  </p>
<p>The first few hours of the day i felt pretty clear and happy at a job i did.  around 1pm i had a pilates class in which i was more focused than usual, connecting my brain to my toes/arches very well.  after i started to feel like my right front lobe of my brain was moving around and pushing on my right eye,  kind of like i my brain was creating new pathways.  my eyes became very stoney-like marijuana.  And I felt silly, funny, smart, happy, creative and high.  I then walked down the street and strolled into a seventies vintage store&#8230;i walked out with a whole new outfit and a part of me came out as i walked down the street.  I became truly inspired by a vintage amulet necklace i purchased there.  I was having all sorts of creative visions and inspirations.  I spoke to a friend on the phone and shared some more ideas i had about getting a group together for our friends in our community to share the new evolution of humans into our whole selves and to support this new movement we have all been experiencing figuring out how to live without playing roles. </p>
<p>so around 4pm i had my husband come get me&#8230;i was feeling really high by then, increasingly it felt more like shrooms, like my heart was starting to blast open into space.  i found it challenging t0 figure out what and how to cook for dinner and put in the kids lunches for the next day.  i felt like i was really in my right brain but i tried really hard to do some left brain focus and i was able to ground myself.  This is when i found out i was on nutmeg.  i thought i was just having an awesome day!  </p>
<p>today, a week later i was at a friends house and she made coffee with cream and agave nectar. we put a few dashes of ground nutmeg into our cup.  that was 6 hours ago.  I definitely got mildly high and feel open and expansive, i little dry eyed/mouthed, and felt like sharing my experience.  i wonder if caffeine with the nutmeg might have increased its effects.  i have to admit, my interest is peaked in working with its gifts. it doesnt have any of that bad coming off feeling i remember from x or speed that i experimented a little with, maybe because you can sleep on it and it lasts so long and dwindles its effects slowly.  and its much more functionable and motivational than chronic marijuana, for me anyway. at least in the smaller dosage that i took&#8230; i think i had a quarter to a third of a pod freshly blended.  </p>
<p>And i have to say im feeling pretty  good right now on only a few dashes in a cup of coffee.  i recommend it for fellow pms-ers (those of us on our moon cycle) or anyone who might have the occasional mood swing.  seems to a have a nice balancing effect.  but i think one time a week is enough in small doses.  Maybe it can be used consciously to birth new ideas or dive into creative projects. nothing else has ever appealed to me to use respectfully in this way. Im not a drug user or abuser and barely have a drink but a tequila once in a while. im more interested in more clarity than distraction and numbness.  it can be worked with as a plant medicine or guide, more  ritualistically. it feels very clean and high in vibration.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ate three ground nuts for my first time after doing some research and it served me well. I think I could take more, but three made me feel fairly body stoned for 24 hours. I&#039;d recommend it if you have that time to spare</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ate three ground nuts for my first time after doing some research and it served me well. I think I could take more, but three made me feel fairly body stoned for 24 hours. I&#8217;d recommend it if you have that time to spare</p>
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		<title>By: Lem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 09:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I consumed 5g of fresh nutmeg the other weekend. Notable effects included closed-eye movies (like imagination except a bit more vivid and more automatic), heavy intoxicated feeling (half way between cannabis and alcohol), lightened mood, increased dynamic range perception with music, increased appreciation and reaction to humour, increase in empathy  and very sound sleep. Effects lasted for 24 hours with a lingering &quot;still something there&quot; feeling up to 36 hours.

Some of the effects, like the closed-eye movies, increased appreciation of humour, and increased empathy, sound similar to the amphetamine analogues of myristicin (MMDA), safrole (MDA), and elemicin (TMA). Read in PiHKAL for the effects of those amphetamines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I consumed 5g of fresh nutmeg the other weekend. Notable effects included closed-eye movies (like imagination except a bit more vivid and more automatic), heavy intoxicated feeling (half way between cannabis and alcohol), lightened mood, increased dynamic range perception with music, increased appreciation and reaction to humour, increase in empathy  and very sound sleep. Effects lasted for 24 hours with a lingering &#8220;still something there&#8221; feeling up to 36 hours.</p>
<p>Some of the effects, like the closed-eye movies, increased appreciation of humour, and increased empathy, sound similar to the amphetamine analogues of myristicin (MMDA), safrole (MDA), and elemicin (TMA). Read in PiHKAL for the effects of those amphetamines.</p>
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